Llary ap Casnar (abt. 480)

Born about 0480 in Montgomeryshire, , Wales

Descendants

Died [date unknown] in Montgomeryshire, , Wales

Biography

Mabinogion

Llary appears in the Mabinogion as the son of Caspar Wledig. ^[1]

Brother

Gloyw Wallt. "Prince Casnar, one of the nobles of this island," is named in the Mabinogion as the father of Gloyw Wallt Lydan, the father in turn of Gwynn Gohoyw, the father of Kicva, chosen as wife by Pryderi, the son of Pwyll the Chief of Annwyvn, and ruler of the seven Cantrevs of Dyved. ^[2]

Bartram notes that Casnar Wledig, Legendary, c500, appears in the Mabinogi branch of 'Pwyll' as the father of Gloyw Wallt Lydan (WM 38, RM 25), and in the tale of ‘Culhwch and Olwen’ as the father of Llary (WM 462, RM 107). ^[3]

Gloyw Wallt Lyden ^[4]

Wolcott notes that Pryderi married a daughter of Gwyn ap Gloyw ap Casnar, an historical man born c. 540. Wolcott sources Pryderi to the Mabinogan tale "Pylll Lord of Dyfad" noting that the tales was never meant to be historical. ^[5]

In a footnote, Wolcott states that Pen. 128, 66 calls him "Gwynn gohoyw ap Gloyw gwlad lydan ap Llarf ap Kassnar wldeic"; our reconstruction of the timeline for this family suggests that the Mabinogion tale errs in omitting "Llara" as the father of Gloyw. Extant sources refer to the family patriarch as both "Casnar Wledig" and "Cassanauth Wledig" ^[5]

Research Notes

Birth Year Estimation

Name: Llary ap Casnar^[6]

Name: Casnar /?/

Birth: ABT 588, Montgomeryshire, Wales

DOB Note: The original profile has his DOB as c588. But his son was born c590 and grandson was born c610. Since his mother was born c550, a better estimated DOB would be c570, and would eliminate a database error.

Bartran notes thiat In ‘Rhonabwy's Dream’ Casnar appears as Kasnat Wledic, the father of Llara (RM 160). ^[3]

Otherwise, Bartram notes, Casnar appears only in the genealogies as the father of Llary and ancestor of Tegonwy ap Teon, whose descendants were in Powys and Rhwng Gwy a Hafren ["Between the Wye and the Severn"] (MG 3, ABT 1b, 8g, etc. in EWGT pp.39, 96, etc.); also as ancestor of St.Mechyll in Bonedd y Saint (§49 in EWGT p.62).

Pedigree

He is identified by Boyer ^[7] in the pedigree of Gwaithfoed of Powys: Gwaithfoed ap Gwynnan ap Gwynnog Farefsych ap Lles Llawddeog ap Ceidio ap Corf ap Caenog ap Tegonwy ap Teon ap Gwineu Deufreuddwyd ap Brwyr Lew ap Bwydeg ap Rhun Baladr ap Llary ap Casnar Wledig as one of Gwaithfoed of Powy's ancestors. Boyer does not provide individual descriptions of each generation, as only the name is given and it is likely that some or many are legendary. Boyer notes that the first eight generations of this pediree are the same as for the line of Trahaearn ap Caradog, with one generation difference. Gwaithfoed's pedigree appears in ahnentafel form at Legendary Ancestors of Gwaithfoed of Powys.

Llary, ancestor of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn, Einudd, Elystan Glodrydd. ^[4]

1. Rhun Rudd Baladr.
   1. Bywdeg
      1. Bywyr Lew
         1. Gwineu Defeuddwyd
            1. Teon.
               1. Tegonwy. Tegonwy ap Teon ap Gwineu Deufreuddwyd ap Brwyr Lew ap Brwdeg ap Rhun Rhudd Baladr ap Llary ap Casnar Wledig.^[8]
                  1. Caenog
                     1. Corf.
                        1. Ceidio.
                           1. Lles Llawddeog. Casnar is at the top of the patronymic for Gwaithfoed of Powys: Gwaithfoed of Powys ap Gwynnan ap Gwynnog Farfsych ap Lles Llawddeog ap Ceidio ap Corf ap Caenog ap Tegonwy ap Teon ap Gwineu Deufeuddwyd ap Bywyr Lew ap Bywdeg ap Rhun Rhudd Baladr ap Llary ap Caspar Wledig. ^[7] In addition, Gwenllian ferch madog (who died 1160) ap maredudd ap Bleddyn (who died 1075) ap Cynfyn ap Gwerystan ap Gwaithfoed of Powys ap Gwynnan ap Gwynnog Farfschj ap lles Llawddeog ap Ceidio ap Corf ap Caenog ap Tegonwy ap Teon ap Gwineu Deuffreuddwyd ap Brwyr Lew ap Bywdeg ap Rhun Rhudd Baladr ap Llary ap Casnar Wledig.^[9]
                           2. Caradog. Medlan Benllydan ferch Neiniad ap Gwaithfoed ap Gwrydr Hir ap Caradog ap Lles Llawddeog ap Ceidio ap Corf ap Caenog ap Tegonwy ap Teon (Bartrum's chart 46) who was descended from Casnar Wledig. ^[10]
                  2. Iorwerth Hirflawdd. Casnar Wledig is at the top of the patronymic for Elystan Glodryd, Lord of Buallt, Maes Yfed, Maelienydd, Ceri, Elfael and Cedewain: Elystan Glodrydd ap Cuhelyn ab Ifor ap Seferws ap Cadwr ab Idnerth ab Iorwerth Hirflawdd ap Tegonwy ap Teon ap Gwineu Deufreudd-Wyd ap Bywyr Lew ap Bywdeg ap Rhun Rhudd Baladr ap Llary ap Casnar Wledig. ^[11]

Sources

1. ↑ Mabinogion
2. ↑ Lady Charlotte Guest, Translator. Pwyll Prince of Dyved The Mabinogion Transcribed from the 1849 edition text by David Price. Project Gutenberg Ebook. Accessed 23 October 2023 jhd
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1} Bartram, Casnar Wledig, cited by August Hunt.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1} Carl Boyer 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Thewer is the daughter of Brydw ap Gwrtheyrn Gwrtheneu, #3 on page 242.
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1} Darrell Wolcott. Ancient Wales Studies. The Legendary Kingdom of Seisyllwg Accessed 23 October 2023 jhd
6. ↑ The family of Elystan in historical context with a record of some of his early descendants, added 2014-07-10, amb
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1} Carl Boyer 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Gwaithfoed and his ancestors are #1-15 on page 9.
8. ↑ Carl Boyer 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum, in this case on page 23 of Welsh Genealogies, AD 300-1400. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Tegonwy is #8 on page 346
9. ↑ Carl Boyer 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Gwenllian fefrch Madog married Yr Arglwydd Rhys, who is #35 on page 298.
10. ↑ Carl Boyer 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Medlan Benllydan married Gollwyn ap Tangno ap Cadfael, who is #2 on page 170.
11. ↑ Carl Boyer 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California 2004. Elystan Glodrydd is #14 on page 137.

Acknowledgment

• WikiTree profile UNKNOWN-130313 created through the import of Spencer Family Tree 4 2002.GED on Nov 28, 2011 by Chet Spencer.